Elbows and Knees

[john]

Hi All,

Whats your opinion's please on the use of knees and elbows? I have heard Tommy Carruthers say Bruce replaced knees with shovel hooks and elbows with hooks.

best wishes

[Tim Tackett]

We teach hooks, shovel hooks, knees and elbows. Sometimes you need one; sometimes you need the other.

jeremy teaches us use the knee to the side of the head after you do a sprawl to the side if someone shoots in. (not from the front, they will counter it). we dont use knees really anywhere else so far what ive been taught. as for elbows yea we use em, when we are in close. tell u what, just a tap from an elbow hurts like a b--ch!

i say train elbow and knees, you just might need them, and if you dont, so what.

[john]

Thanks all for answering. I too find them usefull in certain situations which makes me wonder what made Bruce throw them out.

[brentlance]

Hi All,

Whats your opinion's please on the use of knees and elbows? I have heard Tommy Carruthers say Bruce replaced knees with shovel hooks and elbows with hooks.

best wishes




I haven't heard that before. I practice the use of knees and elbows and I feel very comfortable using them. I definitely use shovel hooks and hooks as some of my primary tools. what's wrong with using all of the above when you practice????

[john]

I hadn't heard it before either until Tommy posted it on his site in response to some question. If I remember correct Tommy said Bruce experimented with elbows and knees but found better tools (hooks and shovel hooks) to do the job.

I was just curious to hear what others thought after all your years of testing.

[whiz kid]

Tim,

When you train elbows, knees and headbutts, do you train them while trapping the head/neck similarly to Muay Thai? If so, is this from a kali or Thai influence directly or were elbows, knees and headbutts trained this way during the LA era?

[whiz kid]

anybody?

[whiz kid]

Wednesday night'ers,

Is holding the head to elbow, knee and headbutt part of the JKD you guys train? Was it part of the original LA material?

[brentlance]

Wednesday night'ers,

Is holding the head to elbow, knee and headbutt part of the JKD you guys train? Was it part of the original LA material?


I have done all 3 with and without holding the head. It is part of my curriculum.

[Geoff]

just my opinion.... dont you think bruce was driving a two door car in the later stage of his developement and not a four door one .....(thats if he didnt use them or he through them out in the later stage) two arms two legs...
and that he found he didnt have to train isolated movements but kept it compound.
i mean how do one train the head butt ? butt the bag for two hours a day?
its already there just express it into a weapon...
just my opinion.

[markijkd]

Hi Guyz,

In my opinion elbows and knees in JKD are de-emphazied first for the sake of simplicity (not having too many choices) and secondly for their lack of "ease of recovery" if missed...

Mark

[Geoff]

Hi mark.. bruce lee had a school in down town LA thats where he painted his windows with paint etc.. i dont know if im right but i was wondering if you could put me on the right track.. is it now a jkd school?
ps...its just i read something many years ago about that...i was wondering if it right

[markijkd]

"Hi mark.. bruce lee had a school in down town LA thats where he painted his windows with paint etc.. i dont know if im right but i was wondering if you could put me on the right track.. is it now a jkd school?
ps...its just i read something many years ago about that...i was wondering if it right"

Geoff,

No, it was a Doctors Office for years and has been vacant for quite some time.

Mark

[Geoff]

When bruce lee died some people say that they should of kept the house in kwloon tong as like a museum.....i dont know if that would of been a good idea...mayb
its ashame all the buildings that bruce taught in couldnt be recaptured and done the same way mayb....whats your opinion on this? would you think it be a good idea for furture generations to go to where bruce lee lived and trained?

[Broken arrow_one]

I think holding the head while using headbutts and elbows muay tai style is part of what Isanto taught to Paul Vunak, who I consider one tough monkey.
In close quarters thats the key to success or after a destruction has occured at long range following the "straight blast".
Those close range weapons would be my personal choice.

John
aka
whitebelt55